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    Question Frequently asked question on "Islam" by "Non-Muslim friends"

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    I am starting a new thread where i'l post questions with their answers, which will clear all your doubts about islam..


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    The most common question ...........


    Question:

    Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?


    Answer:


    The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijaab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijaab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam


    1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust



    The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:




    Babylonian Civilization:
    The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.

    Greek Civilization:
    Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.


    Roman Civilization:
    When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.


    Egyptian Civilization:
    The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.


    Pre-Islamic Arabia:
    Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.



    2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status.

    Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.


    Hijaab for men

    People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:

    "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
    [Al-Qur’an 24:30]

    The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

    Hijaab for women.

    The next verse of Surah Noor, says:

    " And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."
    [Al-Qur’an 24:31]

    3. Six criteria for Hijaab.


    According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:

    Extent:

    The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.

    All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.

    The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.

    The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.

    The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.

    The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.

    The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.


    4. Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things


    Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.


    5. Hijaab prevents molestation


    The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

    "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
    [Al-Qur’an 33:59]

    The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.


    6. Example of twin sisters


    Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.
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    7. Capital punishment for the rapists


    Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?


    8. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women


    Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.


    9. USA has one of the highest rates of rape

    United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.

    Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment.



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    ALL RELIGIONS TEACH MEN TO BE RIGHTEOUS, THEN WHY FOLLOW ONLY ISLAM?




    Question

    All religions basically teach followers to do good deeds. Why should a person only follow Islam? Can he not follow any of the religions?

    Answer


    1. Major difference between Islam and most other religions


    All religions basically exhort mankind to be righteous and eschew evil. But Islam goes beyond that. It guides us towards practical ways of achieving righteousness and eliminating evil from our individual and collective lives. Islam takes into account human nature and the complexities of human society. Islam is guidance from the Creator Himself. Therefore, Islam is also called the Deen-ul-Fitrah (the natural religion of Man).


    2. Example - Islam commands us to shun robbery and also prescribes method of eliminating robbery


    Islam prescribes method of eliminating robbery
    All major religions teach that theft is an evil act. Islam teaches the same. So what is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam, besides teaching that robbing is evil, shows a practical way of creating a social structure in which people will not rob.

    Islam prescribes Zakaat
    Islam prescribes a system of Zakaat (obligatory annual charity). Islamic law prescribes that every person who has a saving that exceeds the nisaab level i.e. more than 85 grams of gold, should give 2.5% of that saving every lunar year in charity. If every rich person in the world gave Zakaat sincerely, poverty will be eradicated from this world. Not a single human being would die of hunger.

    Chopping off the hands as punishment for robbery
    Islam prescribes chopping off the hands of the convicted robber. The Glorious Qur’an says in Surah Maidah:
    "As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands:a punishment by way
    of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power, full of wisdom."
    [ Al-Qur’an 5:38]
    The non-Muslim may say, "Chopping off the hands in this 20th century. Islam is a barbaric and ruthless religion!"

    Results achieved when Islamic Shariah Implemented
    America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. Unfortunately it also has one of the highest rates of crime, theft, and robbery. Suppose the Islamic shariah is implemented in America i.e. every rich person gives Zakaat ( 2.5% of his savings in charity above 85 grams of gold every lunar year), and every convicted robber has his or her hands chopped off as a punishment. Will the rate of theft and robbery in America increase, remain same or decrease? Naturally it will decrease. Moreover the existence of such a stringent law would discourage many a potential robber.

    I agree that the amount of theft that takes place in the world today is so tremendous that if you chop off the hands of all the thieves, there will be tens of thousands of people whose hands will be chopped off. The point here is that the moment you implement this law the rate of theft will decline immediately. The potential robber would give it a serious thought before jeopardizing his limbs. The mere thought of the punishment itself will discourage majority of the robbers. There will barely be a few who would rob. Hence only a few person’s hands would be chopped off but millions would live peacefully without fear of being robbed.

    Islamic Shariah is therefore practical, and achieves results.
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    Question:

    Why is the consumption of alcohol prohibited in Islam?



    Answer:

    Alcohol has been the scourge of human society since time immemorial. It continues to cost countless human lives, and causes terrible misery to millions throughout the world. Alcohol is the root cause of several problems facing society. The statistics of soaring crime rates, increasing instances of mental illnesses and millions of broken homes throughout the world bear mute testimony to the destructive power of alcohol.


    1. Prohibition of alcohol in the Qur’an

    The Glorious Qur’an prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the following verse:

    "O ye who believe!
    Intoxicants and Gambling,
    (Dedication of) stones,
    And (divination by) arrows,
    Are an Abomination –
    Of Satan’s handiwork;
    Eschew such (abomination),
    That ye may prosper."
    [Al-Qur’an 5:90]


    2. Prohibition of alcohol in the Bible

    The Bible prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the following verses:

    "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
    [Proverbs 20:1]

    "And be not drunk with wine."
    [Ephesians 5:18]


    3. Alcohol inhibits the inhibitory centre
    The human beings possess an inhibitory centre in their brains. This inhibitory centre prevents the person from doing things that he considers wrong. For instance a person does not normally use abusive language while addressing his parents or elders. If he has to answer the call of nature, his inhibitory centre will prevent him from doing so in public. Therefore he uses the toilet.

    When a person consumes alcohol, the inhibitory centre itself is inhibited. That is precisely the reason that an inebriated person is often found to be indulging in behaviour that is completely uncharacteristic of him. For instance the intoxicated person is found to use abusive and foul language and does not realize his mistake even if he is addressing his parents. Many even urinate in their clothes. Neither do they talk nor walk properly. They even misbehave.


    4. Cases of adultery, rape, incest and AIDS are found more among alcoholics

    According to National Crime Victimization Survey Bureau of Justice (U.S. Department of Justice) in the year 1996 alone everyday on an average 2,713 rapes took place. The statistics tell us that the majority of the rapists, were intoxicated while committing the crime. The same is true in cases of molestation.

    According to statistics, 8% of Americans commit incest i.e. one in every twelve to thirteen persons in America is involved in incest. Almost all the cases of incest are due to intoxication of one or both the persons involved.

    One of the major factors associated with the spread of AIDS, the most dreaded disease, is alcoholism.


    5. Every alcoholic was initially a social drinker
    Many may argue in favour of liquor by calling themselves ‘social drinkers’. They claim that they only have one or two pegs and they have self-control and so never get intoxicated. Investigations reveal that every alcoholic started as a social drinker. Not a single alcoholic or drunkard initially starts drinking with the intention of becoming an alcoholic or a drunkard. No social drinker can say that I have been having alcohol for several years and that I have so much self-control that I have never been intoxicated even a single time.


    6. If a person is intoxicated just once and commits something shameful, it will remain with him for a lifetime.

    Suppose a ‘social drinker’ loses his self-control just once. In a state of intoxication he commits a crime. Even if the act is later regretted, a normal human being is likely to carry the guilt throughout his life. Both the perpetrator and the victim are irreparably and irreversibly damaged.


    7. Alcohol is prohibited in the Hadith

    The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

    In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3371.

    "Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of evils."

    In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3392

    "Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in a small quantity."

    Thus there is no excuse for a nip or a tot.

    Not only those who drink alcohol are cursed but also those who deal with them directly or indirectly are cursed by Allah.

    According to Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3380.

    It was reported by Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

    "God’s curse falls on ten groups of people who deal with alcohol. The one who distills it, the one for whom it has been distilled, the one who drinks it, the one who transports it, the one to who it has been brought, the one whom serves it, the one who sells it, the one who utilizes money from it, the one who buys it and the one who buys it for someone else."


    8. Diseases associated with alcoholism

    There are several scientific reasons for the prohibition of consumption of intoxicants i.e. alcohol. The maximum number of deaths in the world related to any one particular cause is due to the consumption of alcohol. Millions of people die every year only because of intake of alcohol. I need not go into the details of all the ill-effects of alcohol since most of them are commonly known. Below is a simple list of few of the alcohol related illnesses:

    Cirrhosis of Liver is the most well known alcohol associated disease.

    Others are Cancer of Oesophagus, Cancer of Head and Neck, Cancer of Liver (Hepatoma), Cancer of Bowel, etc.

    Oesophagitis, Gastritis, Pancreatitis and Hepatitis are linked with alcohol consumption.

    Cardiomyopathy, Hypertension, Coronary Artherosclerosis, Angina and Heart Attacks are linked with heavy alcohol intakes.

    Strokes, Apoplexy, Fits and different types of Paralysis are linked with alcohol intake.

    Peripheral Neuropathy, Cortical Atrophy, Cerebellar Atrophy are well-known syndromes caused by alcohol consumption.

    Wernicke – Korsakoff syndrome with amnesia of recent events, confabulations and retainment of memory to old events with different types of paralysis are mainly due to thiamine deficiency due to excessive alcohol intake.

    Beriberi and other deficiencies are not uncommon among alcoholics. Even Pellagra occurs in alcoholics.

    Delerium Tremens is a serious complication that may occur during recurrent infection of alcoholics or post operatively. It also occurs during abstention as a sign of withdrawal effect. It is quite serious and may cause death even if treated in well equipped centres.

    Numerous Endocrine Disorders have been associated with alcoholism ranging from Myxodema to Hyperthyroidism and Florid Cushing Syndrome.

    Hematological ill effects are long and variable. Folic acid deficiency, however, is the most common manifestation of alcoholic abuse resulting in Macrocytic Anemia. Zeive’s syndrome is a triad of Hemolytic Anemia, Jaundice and Hyperlipaedemia that follows alcoholic binges.

    Thrombocytopenia and other platelet abnormalities are not rare in alcoholics.

    The commonly used tablet metronidazole (flagyl) interacts badly with alcohol.

    Recurrent infection is very common among chronic alcoholics. The resistance to disease and the immunological defense system are compromised by alcohol intake.

    Chest infections are notorious in alcoholics. Pneumonia, Lung Abcess, Emphysema and Pulmonary Tuberculosis are all common in alcoholics.

    During acute alcoholic intoxication, the drunk person usually vomits, the cough reflexes which are protective are paralysed. The vomitus thus easily pass to the lung causing Pneumonia or Lung Abscess. Occasionally it may even cause suffocation and death.

    The ill effects of alcohol consumption on women deserves special mention. Females are more vulnerable to alcohol-related Cirrhosis than men. During pregnancy alcohol consumption has a severe detrimental effect on the foetus. Foetal Alcohol Syndrome is being recognised more and more in the medical profession.

    Skin diseases are also related to alcohol indulgence.

    Eczema, Alopecia, Nail Dystrophy, Paronychia (infection around the nails) and Angular Stomatitis (inflammation of the angle of the mouth) are common diseases among alcoholics.


    9. Alcoholism is a ‘disease’

    Medical doctors have now turned liberal towards alcoholics and call alcoholism a disease rather than an addiction.

    If alcohol is a disease, it is the only disease that:

    - Is sold in bottles

    - Is advertised in newspapers, magazines, on radio and television

    - Has licensed outlets to spread it

    - Produces revenue for the government

    - Brings violent deaths on the highways

    - Destroys family life and increases crime

    - Has no germs or viral cause

    ALCOHOLISM IS NOT A DISEASE – IT IS SATAN’S HANDIWORK

    Allah (swt) in His Infinite Wisdom has warned us against this snare of Satan. Islam is called the "Deen-ul-Fitrah" or the natural religion of Man. All its injunctions are aimed at preserving the natural state of man. Alcohol is a deviation from this natural state, for the individual as well as for society. It degrades man to a level below that of the beasts he claims to be superior to. Hence the consumption of alcohol is prohibited in Islam.
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    If you yourself are supposed to write the questions n reply on them then it is a different issue but before coming on a secular forum like this you should know to respect all religions. Also about punishments n robbery, I am not sure which country u belong to but think before saying. Gravity should be considered before implementing such harsh punishments as afterall we all are humans.

    A poor hungry child stealing some food bloody I will not consider as robbery instead young guys stealing money for fun or our bloody leaders robbing country everyday, will chop their hands which never happens.

    Also, its not about chopping hands but implementing the punishment. I live in a country where hands are not chopped but ppl are punished for sure when they commit a crime, so they dont do it.

    I respect Islam a lot like i do all religions, I enjoy all the songs dedicated to Allah but set your definitions right.

    May be I know more about Islam as it is not only Alcohol but all intoxicating things are haram including music n all.

    Just dont make it a religious post. Let it be general n fun.

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    very good discuss u added in this thread an i liked it.... Allah bless u... and dear go ahead... we r with u

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheking View Post
    If you yourself are supposed to write the questions n reply on them then it is a different issue but before coming on a secular forum like this you should know to respect all religions. Also about punishments n robbery, I am not sure which country u belong to but think before saying. Gravity should be considered before implementing such harsh punishments as afterall we all are humans.

    A poor hungry child stealing some food bloody I will not consider as robbery instead young guys stealing money for fun or our bloody leaders robbing country everyday, will chop their hands which never happens.

    Also, its not about chopping hands but implementing the punishment. I live in a country where hands are not chopped but ppl are punished for sure when they commit a crime, so they dont do it.

    I respect Islam a lot like i do all religions, I enjoy all the songs dedicated to Allah but set your definitions right.

    May be I know more about Islam as it is not only Alcohol but all intoxicating things are haram including music n all.

    Just dont make it a religious post. Let it be general n fun.
    Actually, that law ( of cutting off hands) ONLY applies to a robber that robs to harm people and for pleasure ( and also murders people in the process, harms them very badly and is completely aware of what he is doing) BUT if a person is suffering from poverty and if an innocent child or a person with some mental imbalance does it then it does not apply to them. There's such a law but there're exceptions to it... Actually there is a HUGE misunderstanding of this law and often, some "extremists" forget to consider the exceptions before applying this law. This is the reason why many innocent people are suffering in some countries. And moreover, it's also stated that it's mostly to spread the fear so that they one dares to rob and harm innocent people.
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    I have a query regarding rape [should you care to answer]. Now, according to Islamic Law, an alleged rape of a woman can only be proven under two circumstances. Either by the confession of the rapist or by if the victim was to be able to provide a worthy testimony of at least four male witnesses. I have an issue in coming to terms with that.

    Firstly, what is the likelyhood of a perpetrator to actually confess his ill doing whilst knowing full well of the dire consequence that he will have to endure ?

    Secondly, quote me if i'm wrong, but if the victim just so happens to be married and subsequently cannot come forth with any such evidence, then the case of rape would automatically get thrown out of the window. Would it not ? Would she be allowed to appeal against the decision? if so, then how? She wouldn't have received justice, but by large would alternatively be facing a fresh, vexatious, fraudulent case of adultery... as sex that is not rape has to be consensual, consensual sex would indeed mean adultery . Adultery = death sentence, right ? How the heck can a women possibly win ? at either ends, she would be doomed !

    Another thing...if four male witnesses are of need, wouldn't it be just to suggest that all of the four should somehow be seen as not entirely innocent. Of who in the right mind would stand by and let a defenceless women be raped and not intervene ? Anyway... why four witnesses ? why not just the one ? moreover, why not a female witness ?

    Sorry, but i'm inclined to think that this law is a bit back dated, it seriously needs a shake-up...it does not provide any real hard justice. It's far too harsh to the point and nothing more than a deterrent that's sole objective is to strike fear into the hearts of it's citizens, especially women..... deep down it's created to keep them submissively obedient and suppressed.
    So may it be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisbonstar28 View Post
    I have a query regarding rape [should you care to answer]. Now, according to Islamic Law, an alleged rape of a woman can only be proven under two circumstances. Either by the confession of the rapist or by if the victim was to be able to provide a worthy testimony of at least four male witnesses. I have an issue in coming to terms with that.

    Firstly, what is the likelyhood of a perpetrator to actually confess his ill doing whilst knowing full well of the dire consequence that he will have to endure ?

    Secondly, quote me if i'm wrong, but if the victim just so happens to be married and subsequently cannot come forth with any such evidence, then the case of rape would automatically get thrown out of the window. Would it not ? Would she be allowed to appeal against the decision? if so, then how? She wouldn't have received justice, but by large would alternatively be facing a fresh, vexatious, fraudulent case of adultery... as sex that is not rape has to be consensual, consensual sex would indeed mean adultery . Adultery = death sentence, right ? How the heck can a women possibly win ? at either ends, she would be doomed !

    Another thing...if four male witnesses are of need, wouldn't it be just to suggest that all of the four should somehow be seen as not entirely innocent. Of who in the right mind would stand by and let a defenceless women be raped and not intervene ? Anyway... why four witnesses ? why not just the one ? moreover, why not a female witness ?

    Sorry, but i'm inclined to think that this law is a bit back dated, it seriously needs a shake-up...it does not provide any real hard justice. It's far too harsh to the point and nothing more than a deterrent that's sole objective is to strike fear into the hearts of it's citizens, especially women..... deep down it's created to keep them submissively obedient and suppressed.
    Well, nowhere in the Quran is it mentioned that a woman needs to bring 4 male witnesses in order to prove the rape...(if you want, read the Quran for yourself !) This was actually practiced by people in some Arab countries and everyone started assuming that this is what is said in Quran about the punishment for rape. But, the reality is that, if a woman can prove her rape, then the rapist should be put to death.


    And no, adultery= 100 lashes, NO death sentence.

    During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. When some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death."

    If you read the Quran, that's what you will find..! Nowhere is it mentioned about bringing four witnesses and stuff like that...do not listen to what people say and if people practice a particular thing in Arab countries then that does not mean that Islam teaches it...Remember, Islam was introduced in Arab countries because the Arabs are the most barbarian in nature
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    Quote Originally Posted by take_lite View Post
    Well, nowhere in the Quran is it mentioned that a woman needs to bring 4 male witnesses in order to prove the rape...(if you want, read the Quran for yourself !)
    In my text, i have not once mention the Quran, neither do i intend on doing so . My issue is not with the Quran nor with the beautiful religion itself. I'm looking beyond all of that to a point that you are not currently in tune with. It is with the ever evolving Sharia law and it's regards on rape, that i cannot see eye to eye on. Agreed that Muslims have faith in Sharia as being the one and only Law passed on from God, but time, hierarchies, authorities can all to often mislead and abuse law's to such an extent, that it just ends up seen by non muslims as not having any bilateral relevance to today's pace. I'm in this thread to learn ... feel free to educate me on that what i do not know. All i ask, is that you first be honest to yourself, accept and do not deny the fact of the well known practice of thus providing forth the four male witnesses at time of prosecution .
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    Quote Originally Posted by take_lite View Post

    And no, adultery= 100 lashes, NO death sentence.
    My oh my, how reasonable a force . Is that the punishment for the accuser as well ? Is it not true that if the accused is acquitted and get's off scot free, that the law would then have no choice but to deal with the victim? Isn't it so, that the victim would be then charged of having consensual sex out of wedlock or adultery ? Is it justified to be giving an innocent woman a 100 lashes?

    Can a women who has been beaten, raped, or even gang-raped, and is in severe depression, loss of appetite, malnutrition etc, with having had just received a miscarriage of justice, could that women really withstand something such as 100 lashes along with the humiliation ? Isn't there even the slightest possibility ( 1% of 100% ) that death might just occur, then or therafter ? Whose to say no for sure ?? is it right to be taking that 1% risk ? Barbaric !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisbonstar28 View Post
    In my text, i have not once mention the Quran, neither do i intend on doing so . My issue is not with the Quran nor with the beautiful religion itself. I'm looking beyond all of that to a point that you are not currently in tune with. It is with the ever evolving Sharia law and it's regards on rape, that i cannot see eye to eye on. Agreed that Muslims have faith in Sharia as being the one and only Law passed on from God, but time, hierarchies, authorities can all to often mislead and abuse law's to such an extent, that it just ends up seen by non muslims as not having any bilateral relevance to today's pace. I'm in this thread to learn ... feel free to educate me on that what i do not know. All i ask, is that you first be honest to yourself, accept and do not deny the fact of the well known practice of thus providing forth the four male witnesses at time of prosecution .
    What Muslims today do might be wrong, but really, what does that have to do with Islam? YA, there might be a practice existing in the world today where you need to bring four male witnesses in order to prove your rape, but that's not what Islam teaches, whatever it teaches is clearly written in the Quran, if something wrong is done by Muslims then that does not mean that it's "Islam", it's their very own self-created religion. You very clearly said "ISLAMIC LAW", whatever is the Islamic law, it IS in the Quran, NOT anywhere else. If today,some extremists require you to bring four male witnesses then that does not become "Islamic law". Never in my text did I mention that Muslims today do not practice the thing that you mentioned. I clearly explained that it's NOT the Islamic law,it's something that extremists who want to gain control over women practice.

    I clearly mentioned "This was actually practiced by people in some Arab countries and everyone started assuming that this is what is said in Quran( whatever is said in Quran, is the TRUE Islamic law) about the punishment for rape. But, the reality is that, if a woman can prove her rape, then the rapist should be put to death."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisbonstar28 View Post
    My oh my, how reasonable a force . Is that the punishment for the accuser as well ? Is it not true that if the accused is acquitted and get's off scot free, that the law would then have no choice but to deal with the victim? Isn't it so, that the victim would be then charged of having consensual sex out of wedlock or adultery ? Is it justified to be giving an innocent woman a 100 lashes?

    Can a women who has been beaten, raped, or even gang-raped, and is in severe depression, loss of appetite, malnutrition etc, with having had just received a miscarriage of justice, could that women really withstand something such as 100 lashes along with the humiliation ? Isn't there even the slightest possibility ( 1% of 100% ) that death might just occur, then or therafter ? Whose to say no for sure ?? is it right to be taking that 1% risk ? Barbaric !!
    What are you talking about? Adultery means, someone who cheats their husband/wife or practices fornication. It applies to BOTH males and females. So, for example if you a guy cheats his wife, then that guy as well as the woman who he was with, will be given 100 lashes. And yes, here the woman in question is wrong, why should she have sex with a married guy? So yes, they both deserve it.
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