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    How terrorism got linked to Jihad

    There have always been, in Islam, a small group, a minority, who believe that jihad is not only an internal struggle but also an external struggle against forces that would threaten the faith, or the faithful. And some of these people believe that in that struggle, it is sometimes okay to take up arms. And so the thousands of young Muslim men who flocked to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight against the Soviet occupation of a Muslim country, in their minds they were fighting a jihad, they were doing jihad, and they named themselves the Mujaheddin, which is a word that comes from the same root as jihad. And we forget this now, but back then the Mujaheddin were respected in western countries. USA thought of them as holy warriors who were taking the good fight to the ungodly communists. USA gave them weapons, gave them money, gave them support, encouragement.


    Ronald Reagan meets Afghan mujaheddin Commanders at the White House in 1985





    But within that group, a smaller group, were coming up with a new and dangerous conception of jihad, and in time this group would come to be led by Osama bin Laden, and he refined the idea.

    His idea of jihad was a global war of terror, primarily targeted at the far enemy, at the crusaders from the West, against America. And the things he did in the pursuit of this jihad were so horrendous, so monstrous, and had such great impact, that his definition was the one that stuck, not just here in the West. We didn't know any better. We didn't pause to ask. We just assumed that if this insane man and his psychopathic followers were calling what they did jihad, then that's what jihad must mean. But it wasn't just us. Even in the Muslim world, his definition of jihad began to gain acceptance.



    What Jihad actually mean, Quran point of view


    The Qur’an has used the word Jihad 34 times to express the idea of struggling to the utmost to refine oneself [2], improve society [3], or defend the freedom of conscience [4]. Accordingly, Prophet Muhammad has, for example, used the word Jihad when referring to serving one’s parents [5], refining one’s character [6], performing the Hajj (pilgrimage) [7], and defensive war for freedom of conscience [8]. Prophet Muhammad also, after returning from battle, declared the Jihad of refining oneself to be superior to Jihad to defend the freedom of conscience, “We are returning from the lesser Jihad to the greater Jihad.” [9] Furthermore, the Qur’an prohibits fighting against any peaceful group [10], repeatedly underscores the importance of freedom of conscience [11], and permits fighting only to uphold the freedom of conscience and defend oneself against an aggressor [12]. The Qur’an, as mentioned earlier, also states that no single religion can monopolize salvation [13] and endorses ecumenism. [14] Instead of relying on the Qur’an and Ahadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad), critics often cite Abul Ala Maududi, cleric and founder of Pakistan’s extreme right-wing religio-political party Jamaat-i-Islami. No doubt, influenced by the philosophy of medieval clerics, Maududi divided the world into two “Houses” and preached violence against non-Muslims and also against Muslims he disagrees with. But not only do Maududi’s views contradict the Holy Qur’an, Prophet Muhammad also and proactively condemned such clerics: Their clerics will be the worst creatures under the heaven. Discord will rise from them and will come right back to them. [16] In my Ummah (followers) an era of fear will come, and people will turn to their clerics for guidance, but will find them as monkeys and swine. [17] [A time will come when] there will be nothing left of knowledge. People will make the ignorant their leaders and will seek guidance from them in matters of religion. These leaders will issue fatwas (edicts) without any knowledge. They will themselves be misguided and will lead others astray.

    [18] Hadrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, Fourth Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, thoroughly debunked Maududi’s worldview in his eminent work Murder in the Name of Allah. Commenting on the general corrupt nature of many Muslim clerics, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah and founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, wrote over a century ago—indeed even before Maududi’s birth: When these clerics meet present day rulers, they bow down as if ready to prostrate; but among their own kind they insist repeatedly that this country is Dar al-Harb (in a state of war)… They adhere so strongly to their doctrine of Jihad—which is completely misguided and entirely contradicts the teachings of the Holy Qur’an and Hadith—that they label as anti-Christ and advocate the murder of anyone who objects … They should remember that their understanding of Jihad is not at all correct, and that human sympathy is its first casualty.

    Their belief, that Jihad should be lawful today because it was permitted in early Islam, is totally incorrect … their reasoning is baseless. Under no circumstance did our Holy Prophet raise the sword against anyone unless they had first raised the sword – mercilessly killing innocent, pious men, women and children with such brutality that reading about these events even today brings tears to our eyes.”



    [19] Professor Bernard Lewis suggests that the concept of suicide bombing is a 20th century invention having no basis in Islam [21], and that the Muslims who endorse terrorism—like Maududi—are not aware of their own religion. [22] At no time did the classical jurists offer any approval or legitimacy to what we nowadays call terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism as it is practiced nowadays [23]. The fanatical warrior offering his victims the choice of the Koran or the sword is not only untrue, it is impossible” and that “generally speaking, Muslim tolerance of unbelievers was far better than anything [24] In short, Prophet Muhammad forbade all forms of terrorism, and instead taught his followers to engage in the personal reflection for self-improvement. That was, is, and always will be the greatest Jihad.




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    For us Jihad means terrorism
    For us Jihad means Conservative approach
    For us Jihad means religious fanaticism
    For us Jihad means an excuse to do all crime and terro things
    For us Jihad means extremism
    For us Jihad means kill all non mulsims

    Its a bad word for us , with whatever we have seen and experienced in last 25-30 years

    BTW , never heard of Jihad against terror or terrorist
    Nor Jihad against illteracy
    Nor Jihad against anti nationals
    Nor Jihad against Poverty

    So dont try to give us irrelevant meaning of Jihad

    Practically Jihad is the word explained in reality by Taliban to ISIS to boko haram

    And we hate This word Jihad

    Its anti Society and anti national
    If you think any candle march will affect "Islamic Terrorism", you are fooling yourself, Kill them or be ready for next attack !!

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    For us Jihad means terrorism
    For us Jihad means Conservative approach
    For us Jihad means religious fanaticism
    For us Jihad means an excuse to do all crime and terro things
    For us Jihad means extremism
    For us Jihad means kill all non mulsims

    Its a bad word for us , with whatever we have seen and experienced in last 25-30 years

    BTW , never heard of Jihad against terror or terrorist
    Nor Jihad against illteracy
    Nor Jihad against anti nationals
    Nor Jihad against Poverty

    So dont try to give us irrelevant meaning of Jihad

    Practically Jihad is the word explained in reality by Taliban to ISIS to boko haram

    And we hate This word Jihad

    Its anti Society and anti national
    I believe you have never interacted with people from other countries on this subject and you just follow local news. Treat yourself because you are lucky, anybody can say anything on internet forum and get away with it but believe me what you told now if you say this in front of real public then you will see shoes and stones flying towards you first from your own people. Majority of people from your own community don't agree with you.

    You really think that Islam means Taliban, ISIS & BokoHaram, right?

    "And we hate This word Jihad" you are EPIC - how can you hate something whose meaning you really don't know.

    I know you will hate me for this but this is what Ronald Reagan must be thinking about you.

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    non muslims se jayda jaroori muslims hi samaj le jihad ka meaning to unki community ke liye hi accha hoga
    I WILL LOOK FOR U
    I WILL FIND U AND
    I WILL BAN U


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    Quote Originally Posted by amitsush View Post
    non muslims se jayda jaroori muslims hi samaj le jihad ka meaning to unki community ke liye hi accha hoga
    90% Muslims jante hai Jihad ka matlab isiliye toh unki community abtak zinda hai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parveztubez View Post
    90% Muslims jante hai Jihad ka matlab isiliye toh unki community abtak zinda hai.
    jihad ka misuse kon kar raha , kis ne dunyia bar me jihad ko galat matlab diya , humein sanjhane se kya hoga wohin samaj le to acha hain jo isis ya taliban ko join kar rahein , engineer doctor aise log jab is sab org ko join kar rahein to kya hum yeh samjhae ki unhone kuran nahin padi aur who jihad ka matlab nahin samjhate.
    My love, the spark that ignited the day we met
    remains an eternal flame.











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    Quote Originally Posted by parveztubez View Post
    90% Muslims jante hai Jihad ka matlab isiliye toh unki community abtak zinda hai.
    baaki ke 10 % ne 90% muslims ko badnaam kar rakha hai

    aur 90% muslims zinda hai lekin ye 10% muslims doosre community ka khoon kyon baha rahe phir jihad ke naam par, kud to safe aur zinda ho , baaki log ko kyon paresaan kar rahe

    I WILL LOOK FOR U
    I WILL FIND U AND
    I WILL BAN U


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    Quote Originally Posted by arumita View Post
    jihad ka misuse kon kar raha , kis ne dunyia bar me jihad ko galat matlab diya , humein sanjhane se kya hoga wohin samaj le to acha hain jo isis ya taliban ko join kar rahein , engineer doctor aise log jab is sab org ko join kar rahein to kya hum yeh samjhae ki unhone kuran nahin padi aur who jihad ka matlab nahin samjhate.
    Pardon me but did you read my thread properly or just few lines or you still didn't wake up properly? I mentioned right How Jihad is being misused and who is misusing it. By the way humein sanjhane se kya hoga iska matlab kya hai.....It's not only you who is reading this thread there are other readers too and there will always be. Don't be selfish and think only about yourself. If my post manages to change the perspective of even 1 Muslim who has soft corner for terrorist group then ill feel good. After all the whole depends upon Hope and that includes me.

    engineer doctor aise log jab is sab org ko join kar rahein to kya hum yeh samjhae ki unhone kuran nahin padi aur who jihad ka matlab nahin samjhate. Correct Quran nahi pade isilye toh Dimag se pagal hai. *Engineer aur Doctor ne join kiya ya Engineering or Doctor ke Students ne join kiya??????????????????*

    Mein ne toh samjhane ki shuruwat real life mein aur is thread se kar chuka hu, kya aapne kuch kiya ya bas baatein hi chalu hai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amitsush View Post
    baaki ke 10 % ne 90% muslims ko badnaam kar rakha hai

    aur 90% muslims zinda hai lekin ye 10% muslims doosre community ka khoon kyon baha rahe phir jihad ke naam par, kud to safe aur zinda ho , baaki log ko kyon paresaan kar rahe

    First you tell me in which all country this is going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parveztubez View Post
    First you tell me in which all country this is going on?
    which country
    does that matter
    marne wala to insan hi hai

    lets take the example of terrorists in india who are fighting for kashmir
    I WILL LOOK FOR U
    I WILL FIND U AND
    I WILL BAN U


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    Their is a word in Sanskrit, Aham-Brahmasmi, meaning only I know everything. And this is the problem of all the fanatics.
    let it rain over me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by amitsush View Post
    which country
    does that matter
    marne wala to insan hi hai

    lets take the example of terrorists in india who are fighting for kashmir
    Are they fighting for Islam or piece of Land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parveztubez View Post
    Are they fighting for Islam or piece of Land?
    Hmmm


    Then what is Ghajva-e-hind??

    ISIS support that na?? Piece of land or whole land??
    let it rain over me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007RIKY View Post
    Their is a word in Sanskrit, Aham-Brahmasmi, meaning only I know everything. And this is the problem of all the fanatics.
    No you and your Sanskrit knows everything. This is the problem with all those haters who can't stand someone trying to make sense talk good about Islamic related things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parveztubez View Post
    No you and your Sanskrit knows everything. This is the problem with all those haters who can't stand someone trying to make sense talk good about Islamic related things.
    here you go, and that what I said, fanatic
    let it rain over me....

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